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  • Mike Jandebeur
    $8k absolute bottom $10k is better $12k for nice stuff you have 3 years and can buy things as you build. $300 a month will get you there and keep you there
    Message 1 of 26 , May 31, 2013
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      $8k absolute bottom $10k is better $12k for nice stuff
      you have 3 years and can buy things as you build. $300 a month will get you there and keep you there after you go live.
      does not include a place for the station.

      $2200 eas
      $1800-$2300 transmitter
      $1500 -$2500 antenna/tower 55'
      $1000 pc mics mixer cd player
      $500 software
      $100 music library
      $900  rack,cables, ups, misc

      live remote unit  $800  laptop, mixer, headsets

      used gear works for a lot but not the first 3 items tower can be used

      not the only way, just a low cost way

      others will tell you $15k -$25k

      the studio is a big item. need to find a room and a place for the tower.  this is not included as it is unique to each station.

      mike



      On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Scott <iowan969@...> wrote:
       

      A local group in my home town is trying to start up an LPFM.
      We have a very limited budget, but are trying to get an idea of the
      start up costs so that we can make an informed presentation to our local
      city council.
      If they balk, we may approach the local school system. Would appreciate
      any tips here.

      Scott




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    • WEKJFM RADIO
      Howdy,   Your list reminds me of me and my girlfreind fifty years ago planing getting married. We made a list of things we would need: two plates, two forks
      Message 2 of 26 , May 31, 2013
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        Howdy,
         
        Your list reminds me of me and my girlfreind fifty years ago planing getting married. We made a list of things we would need: two plates, two forks and knifes, three pots, etc. We were in love and couldn't see reality.
         
        Let me add a few items:
         
        Studio, computers, stl, monitor amps, production equipment, cd or mini players, backup power UPS, internet, phone, mic booms, limiter, cable,and the biggie, a place to put a tower.This is the short list.
         
        I built my first class A thirty years ago for about 12K. Everything was used. But, and this is a BIG BUTT, I had a very good understanding of electronics and made a lot of my own stuff, including a five bay antenna array {don't tell the FCC). You have to think it out carefully. Don't buy someones junk. You need good stuff or you will regret the day you did this.My guess is you will need about 30K to do it right.
         
        Peter
         
         

        --- On Fri, 5/31/13, Mike Jandebeur <jmjandebeur@...> wrote:

        From: Mike Jandebeur <jmjandebeur@...>
        Subject: Re: Nexus: Tips
        To: LPFM@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Friday, May 31, 2013, 5:33 AM

         
        $8k absolute bottom $10k is better $12k for nice stuff
        you have 3 years and can buy things as you build. $300 a month will get you there and keep you there after you go live.
        does not include a place for the station.

        $2200 eas
        $1800-$2300 transmitter
        $1500 -$2500 antenna/tower 55'
        $1000 pc mics mixer cd player
        $500 software
        $100 music library
        $900  rack,cables, ups, misc

        live remote unit  $800  laptop, mixer, headsets

        used gear works for a lot but not the first 3 items tower can be used

        not the only way, just a low cost way

        others will tell you $15k -$25k

        the studio is a big item. need to find a room and a place for the tower.  this is not included as it is unique to each station.

        mike



        On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Scott <iowan969@...> wrote:
         
        A local group in my home town is trying to start up an LPFM.
        We have a very limited budget, but are trying to get an idea of the
        start up costs so that we can make an informed presentation to our local
        city council.
        If they balk, we may approach the local school system. Would appreciate
        any tips here.

        Scott




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      • Nexus Broadcast
        My guess is 30 years ago you made a good decision and worked with what you had. An LPFM startup is no different - its best to start small until you fully
        Message 3 of 26 , May 31, 2013
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          My guess is 30 years ago you made a good decision and worked with what you had. An LPFM startup is no different - its best to start small until you fully understand what your situation needs. If you started with the mansion 30 years ago, the debt may have eaten you alive, caused marital strife and possibly divorce. So I think staying on the budget path is best for most LPFM operators. The pricing of $10 - $15k is based on new equipment - keep in mind that an LPFM is not a class A and the needs of an LPFM are far less. Start up and operating costs of an LPFM are far less in comparison to a Class A station.

          There have been many changes over the last 30 years - transmitter costs in some ways of come down, antennas are lower cost, lighter weight etc. Automation is available now for essentially the cost of a $300 computer as the software can be free. Lots of changes have driven the cost starting up a 100 watt station.

          I agree with you on the used equipment - stick with all new equipment - specially if you dont have great technical knowledge. You dont need someone else's problem which in the end could cost you more than new equipment to repair and maintain. Plus with new equipment you get that factory warranty assurance and someone to call if a problem comes up. But for a basic installation including transmitter, coax, antenna, audio mixer, EAS/CAP, and automation - $10 - $15k is still right on track with current costs.

          --- In LPFM@yahoogroups.com, WEKJFM RADIO <wekjfm@...> wrote:
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          > Howdy,
          >  
          > Your list reminds me of me and my girlfreind fifty years ago planing getting married. We made a list of things we would need: two plates, two forks and knifes, three pots, etc. We were in love and couldn't see reality.
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          > Let me add a few items:
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          > Studio, computers, stl, monitor amps, production equipment, cd or mini players, backup power UPS, internet, phone, mic booms, limiter, cable,and the biggie, a place to put a tower.This is the short list.
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          > I built my first class A thirty years ago for about 12K. Everything was used. But, and this is a BIG BUTT, I had a very good understanding of electronics and made a lot of my own stuff, including a five bay antenna array {don't tell the FCC). You have to think it out carefully. Don't buy someones junk. You need good stuff or you will regret the day you did this.My guess is you will need about 30K to do it right.
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          > Peter
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          > --- On Fri, 5/31/13, Mike Jandebeur <jmjandebeur@...> wrote:
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          > From: Mike Jandebeur <jmjandebeur@...>
          > Subject: Re: Nexus: Tips
          > To: LPFM@yahoogroups.com
          > Date: Friday, May 31, 2013, 5:33 AM
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          > $8k absolute bottom $10k is better $12k for nice stuff
          > you have 3 years and can buy things as you build. $300 a month will get you there and keep you there after you go live.
          > does not include a place for the station.
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          > $2200 eas
          > $1800-$2300 transmitter
          > $1500 -$2500 antenna/tower 55'
          > $1000 pc mics mixer cd player
          > $500 software
          > $100 music library
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          > $900  rack,cables, ups, misc
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          > live remote unit  $800  laptop, mixer, headsets
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          > used gear works for a lot but not the first 3 items tower can be used
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          > not the only way, just a low cost way
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          > others will tell you $15k -$25k
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          > the studio is a big item. need to find a room and a place for the tower.  this is not included as it is unique to each station.
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          > mike
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          > On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Scott <iowan969@...> wrote:
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          > A local group in my home town is trying to start up an LPFM.
          > We have a very limited budget, but are trying to get an idea of the
          > start up costs so that we can make an informed presentation to our local
          > city council.
          > If they balk, we may approach the local school system. Would appreciate
          > any tips here.
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          > Scott
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        • Nexus Broadcast
          Great stuff Mike - I think you are about $2k low on these totals and the time to build an LPFM is 18 months after the CP is granted, not 3 years. Full power
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            Great stuff Mike - I think you are about $2k low on these totals and the time to build an LPFM is 18 months after the CP is granted, not 3 years. Full power stations have up to 36 months to construct. I think thats where the confusion came in.

            --- In LPFM@yahoogroups.com, Mike Jandebeur <jmjandebeur@...> wrote:
            >
            > $8k absolute bottom $10k is better $12k for nice stuff
            > you have 3 years and can buy things as you build. $300 a month will get you
            > there and keep you there after you go live.
            > does not include a place for the station.
            >
            > $2200 eas
            > $1800-$2300 transmitter
            > $1500 -$2500 antenna/tower 55'
            > $1000 pc mics mixer cd player
            > $500 software
            > $100 music library
            > $900 rack,cables, ups, misc
            >
            > live remote unit $800 laptop, mixer, headsets
            >
            > used gear works for a lot but not the first 3 items tower can be used
            >
            > not the only way, just a low cost way
            >
            > others will tell you $15k -$25k
            >
            > the studio is a big item. need to find a room and a place for the tower.
            > this is not included as it is unique to each station.
            >
            > mike
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            > On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Scott <iowan969@...> wrote:
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            > > A local group in my home town is trying to start up an LPFM.
            > > We have a very limited budget, but are trying to get an idea of the
            > > start up costs so that we can make an informed presentation to our local
            > > city council.
            > > If they balk, we may approach the local school system. Would appreciate
            > > any tips here.
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            > > Scott
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          • Mike Jandebeur
            no lpfm is now 3 years too. check the FCC orders they changed it. my numbers are all new gear. i can supply details if needed. the $$ choice is in antenna. a
            Message 5 of 26 , Jun 1, 2013
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              no lpfm is now 3 years too. check the FCC orders they changed it.
              my numbers are all new gear. i can supply details if needed.

               the $$ choice is in antenna.  a 3/4 wave will be $300 and a 100 watt trans $1700  tower is easy stick.
              or two circular $1800 and a 150 watt unit $2300  tower needs guys and ground area for them.
              if you have to go higher than 15m than your tower cost will $$$ shoot up as it will be fully guyed or costly freestanding.
              if you can find an existing tower that you can get on it my work out but then you need an STL and that's a few $$$.

              this is why the place for the transmitter/tower and studio is the MOST important decision and one where someone who under stands all the parameters can really help.

              you can always build a small radio shack too. all depends on time, money, and peoples talent. but then everything always does.

              tower can be made from rohn 25 pieces you can get from old tv repair shops. hams still use it.  about $50 a section, get a trailer and haul it away. check for straightness before buying a piece. clean and galvanize paint it, use stainless bolts and follow the blueprints from their website, on the hole, rebar and concrete.    here is where a decision has to be made.  the twin circs are the higher cost but will give you about 10% better quality signal in the 2-4 mile area(not distance that will actually be less). but they are a lot heavy and if you go more than 40 feet you will need a set of guys to hold them up.  the stick can go the max freestanding for r25 at 50 feet plus a 5 foot mast and will pancake the signal a little for extra distance.   if you are in high wind area like we are....Arkansas is next to Oklahoma you need to have a tower that can survive. if you have the real estate to set 3 guy wires   DO IT. you will sleep at night when the tornado warnings come and you watch you tower flex, and they all flex. we have had ice 5 inches, tower lived, 75mph winds that took the trees next to the tower, tower lived.  with the dual circs you will need the wires as they have a ton of weight and wind area.

              a 4x4 concrete is about $350 a set of guys at 50' will add $200

              labor is all you, but get a mechanical engineering student from a college to help look your setup. they love to do stuff like this. hams guys are also a great source when it comes to tower building. drainage and ground are issue that need to be addressed before the concrete pour. follow the blueprints for the hole exactly and it will last.

              a tree bucket can be used to hang the tower. assemble the hole thing, antenna, cables all tapped, and connectors weather proofed with gorilla snot.  have the concrete with bottom all done and set for a week. pick up at a point about 30' and it will stand right up and hoist up 5' to attach to base. my guy charged $100 to lift it. PS bring friends...

              we are going to share our studio with some new LPFM apps. we will be using barrix box over dsl as our "STLs". LETS US SHARE EAS,MUSIC, INTERNET, AC, HEAT, RACK SPACE, PRODUCTION PC AND MICS. HUGE START-UP SAVINGS. see if any other lpfm apps are in your area but say several miles away, up to 10 miles from studio allowed.  you could have two lpfm 20 miles apart and share a studio in the middle.   

              as to the PC, one to run the music/programs/and nothing else. get a separate one to do calls, Skype, social networking and web
              never put anything else on it. never browse the web on it, ever. lock it down and remote desktop into it.
              i use sam broadcaster for automation and stereo tool for DSP, and sound like a orban box.(which is just a 'pc')  sam does a huge amount of the website work, request, nowplaying, past songs, coming up, encoding for streaming, stream listener counts. and more. i  wrote a script file that runs and loads programs, songs, net feeds ids and more. they have a great forum to share and learn from. 

              legalsounds is where you can get songs for about $.09....put in $49 and they will match it. get them on sale at .07 and you just paid 3.5 cents for a song. that will get you a 3500 song library for $100

              do not try to be like the big stations...you can come close but you town does not need another radio station...it needs local content.   most listeners are in cars and you do not have the footprint to cover but local roads.
              so the tactic is to develop programs that air the same time each week like radio was in the 30's. that get listeners to tune in and listen for more than 15 minutes. the local high school sports is a huge way to get noticed. if a big station covers offer to do it for free. cover tha away games and band, big guys won't. away games are what will get you listeners.
              THEN ADD ONLINE VIDEO TO LIVE REMOTES. i will not discuse this online but safe to say we are doing 720P HD adaptive streaming over 2 cell companies to IOS, PC,  ANDROID, and XBOX

              stream hosting...after using several host over the years i do my own.  i have a datacenter in virginia for $40 a month, 2 TB of bandwidth on Gig network port. got a server off ebay and added fast drive and windows 2008r2. total cost $400 installed.

              we use our stream/web server for the video too.  after doing video and live remotes for 5 years we have learned a few things. friday night football is our biggest listener time. we keep a live net feed going for 3.5 hours with no one at the studio.

              use liquidsoap to transcode one 64k aac+  from studio into 64kaac+, 22kaac+, and 128k mp3 at the server .  server software is icecast kh version. it let us pull a stream with FLASH player on our website.  so no one has to do anything but go to our site to listen.   get on tunein for phones  use the mp3 stream for that. 22k is for dialup users, still have a few of those. i have two seperate pages for HD or dialup stream. 

              monthly cost to run

              electric-$30
              heat - $20  for few months in winter for a radiator. rack gear helps here
              dsl $70
              laptop modems $50 and $50  verz and at&t
              business phone metered outboud $43 (fax out)
              bmi, ascap, secap, stream ect  about  $75 for all the lic
              hosting $40

              you do not need the laptop modems unless you do live remotes and or video.  we have added the second modem this year to give 100% uptime and bandwidth for the HD video. 

              people you will need
              1. computer genius with network skills
              2. radio engineer  or #1. who a fast learner
              3. helpers

              I am able to do this myself because i am a mech enginer, computer guru, RF engineer, network guru, website builder, programmer, and have the voice to be air talent, college football player so can call a game, and have started several businesses during my life.
              anything you can not do you will have to get volunteers to do, or pay someone.

              Do not be afraid to try.  you need 3 things money management and market.

              money  if you will set $300 a month as your goal and realize that it will ALWAYS cost that much or more. you can get there.  there is NO WAY around the cost of the eas box and transmitter. they are the two big hits. save 300 a month for each and you got them. plan your time NOW 3 yrs is after you get the CP and you will have from now to app window and to CP too.  i would say thats thats 12 months at least.
              or just borrow $15k and make payments.

              market. LOCAL LOCAL LOCAL you can compete with the big boys for listeners,  you will have to market your station. no one will know about you. 8 years later and people are still finding us.  get big banner and hang it at every live remote and local event you can. forget words use your frequency and station name. as big as you can

              mangement.  build a group, getting volunteers is the hardest part. you may be good at radio but suck at people. you maybe great with PC's but know nothing about radio. know yourself and every one in your group.  network  to meet people. many will offer few will stick it out. take care of those few.

              key to sucess. keep the station on the air.....not as easy as you would think.  you will want bigger UPS, and a generator after a year $$$$. you decide what level is right.  ask for money. on the air, web, and in person. setup a station club and sell membership that supports the station. this is a good way to raise money to build it.

              and keep asking questions... when someone says it cost to much  keep looking for another way.  YOU WILL NEVER STOP BUILDING THE STATION 

              mike







              On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Nexus Broadcast <leo@...> wrote:
               

              Great stuff Mike - I think you are about $2k low on these totals and the time to build an LPFM is 18 months after the CP is granted, not 3 years. Full power stations have up to 36 months to construct. I think thats where the confusion came in.


              --- In LPFM@yahoogroups.com, Mike Jandebeur <jmjandebeur@...> wrote:
              >
              > $8k absolute bottom $10k is better $12k for nice stuff
              > you have 3 years and can buy things as you build. $300 a month will get you
              > there and keep you there after you go live.
              > does not include a place for the station.
              >
              > $2200 eas
              > $1800-$2300 transmitter
              > $1500 -$2500 antenna/tower 55'
              > $1000 pc mics mixer cd player
              > $500 software
              > $100 music library
              > $900 rack,cables, ups, misc
              >
              > live remote unit $800 laptop, mixer, headsets

              >
              > used gear works for a lot but not the first 3 items tower can be used
              >
              > not the only way, just a low cost way
              >
              > others will tell you $15k -$25k
              >
              > the studio is a big item. need to find a room and a place for the tower.
              > this is not included as it is unique to each station.
              >
              > mike
              >
              >
              >
              > On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Scott <iowan969@...> wrote:
              >
              > > **

              > >
              > >
              > > A local group in my home town is trying to start up an LPFM.
              > > We have a very limited budget, but are trying to get an idea of the
              > > start up costs so that we can make an informed presentation to our local
              > > city council.
              > > If they balk, we may approach the local school system. Would appreciate
              > > any tips here.
              > >
              > > Scott
              > >
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              > >
              >
              >
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            • Leo Ashcraft
              Well Mike - we re both right. :) Sort of: The Commission still grants an LPFM Construction Permit which is good for 18 months initially. What is new now
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                Well Mike - we're both right.  :)   Sort of:  The Commission still grants an LPFM Construction Permit which is good for 18 months initially.  What is new now is that if you are unable to build the station during that initial 18 months, you can request an extension for an additional 18 months.  They will toll the total possible construction time to no more than three years. These extensions are not necessarily guaranteed however - you would need to be able to demonstrate continuing interest at 18 months and prior to the expiration of the initial 18 month construction period.
              • Mike Jandebeur
                Well it has not been reported that way by industry rags. We need to make sure LPFM applicants understand this. 18 months is really short unless you have your
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                  Well it has not been reported that way by industry rags. We need to make sure LPFM applicants understand this. 18 months is really short unless you have your location locked down. we lost ours in the years wait after the first window and had to locate a new one and submit a mod app.  we could only move 1.25 miles now its 3.   This puts pressure on a group to get at least a tower, transmitter and eas box in place to get a license and build the studio last.  6k raised in 18 months..best case.  
                  mike 
                   to get


                  On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Leo Ashcraft <leo@...> wrote:
                   

                  Well Mike - we're both right.  :)   Sort of:  The Commission still grants an LPFM Construction Permit which is good for 18 months initially.  What is new now is that if you are unable to build the station during that initial 18 months, you can request an extension for an additional 18 months.  They will toll the total possible construction time to no more than three years. These extensions are not necessarily guaranteed however - you would need to be able to demonstrate continuing interest at 18 months and prior to the expiration of the initial 18 month construction period.




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                • Mike Jandebeur
                  ALL the more reason to start fundraising NOW. I figure we have 12 months before the first CP s. 5 to the window and 6 at least for posting, objections,
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                    ALL the more reason to start fundraising NOW. I figure we have 12 months before the first CP's.  5 to the window and 6 at least for posting, objections, contact, and granting. they will be a lot faster than the first time. if not hey more time to raise money.  



                    On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Mike Jandebeur <jmjandebeur@...> wrote:
                    Well it has not been reported that way by industry rags. We need to make sure LPFM applicants understand this. 18 months is really short unless you have your location locked down. we lost ours in the years wait after the first window and had to locate a new one and submit a mod app.  we could only move 1.25 miles now its 3.   This puts pressure on a group to get at least a tower, transmitter and eas box in place to get a license and build the studio last.  6k raised in 18 months..best case.  
                    mike 
                     to get


                    On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Leo Ashcraft <leo@...> wrote:
                     

                    Well Mike - we're both right.  :)   Sort of:  The Commission still grants an LPFM Construction Permit which is good for 18 months initially.  What is new now is that if you are unable to build the station during that initial 18 months, you can request an extension for an additional 18 months.  They will toll the total possible construction time to no more than three years. These extensions are not necessarily guaranteed however - you would need to be able to demonstrate continuing interest at 18 months and prior to the expiration of the initial 18 month construction period.




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                  • mikehemeon
                    All I have seen now and during the last window is how much it will cost to build a station and never a budget to operate a station. Take a good look at your
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                      All I have seen now and during the last window is how much it will cost to build a station and never a budget to operate a station. Take a good look at your proposed service area and honestly ask yourself can they sustain your station?
                       
                      It is a business and your operational budget is as important as the cost of building the station. 
                       
                      Mike
                       
                       
                      In a message dated 6/1/2013 8:21:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jmjandebeur@... writes:
                      ALL the more reason to start fundraising NOW. I figure we have 12 months before the first CP's.  5 to the window and 6 at least for posting, objections, contact, and granting. they will be a lot faster than the first time. if not hey more time to raise money.  
                    • George Brand
                      Hi Mike Where can you get a music library for $100.00 ? Is this a typo? The other numbers fit in. George $ $2200 eas $1800-$2300 transmitter $1500 -$2500
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                        Hi Mike

                         

                        Where can you get a music library for $100.00 ? Is this a typo? The other numbers fit in.

                         

                        George

                         

                         

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                        $2200 eas

                        $1800-$2300 transmitter

                        $1500 -$2500 antenna/tower 55'

                        $1000 pc mics mixer cd player

                        $500 software

                        $100 music library

                        $900  rack,cables, ups, misc

                      • Mike Jandebeur
                        www.legalsounds.com put $49 in they match it . songs cost $.09 ea on sale a lot at .07 Russian version of itunes they won all the lawsuits a few years ago
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                          www.legalsounds.com    put $49 in they match it
                          . songs cost $.09 ea   on sale a lot at .07 
                          Russian version of itunes
                          they won all the lawsuits a few years ago against the riaa who were cutting their payment sites to try to stop them. supreme court held for LS. 
                          some times the very newest release takes a while to get up.  search for radio versions and industry Canada cds.  lots of promo disks get posted.

                          check for best encode most are 320 mp3 but there can be several copies of a song on different albums
                          anything over 225k mp3 is good enough for FM.  regardless of what some may think. they will not pass a blind listening test.  remember FM tops out at 15khz. and any bass under 45k is very hard to push clean in an exciter that cost less than 5K.  


                          let your dollars win for once.



                          On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:41 AM, George Brand <georgeb@...> wrote:
                           

                          Hi Mike

                           

                          Where can you get a music library for $100.00 ? Is this a typo? The other numbers fit in.

                           

                          George

                           

                           

                          $

                          $2200 eas

                          $1800-$2300 transmitter

                          $1500 -$2500 antenna/tower 55'

                          $1000 pc mics mixer cd player

                          $500 software

                          $100 music library

                          $900  rack,cables, ups, misc




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                        • Leo Ashcraft
                          I have been playing around with a site from Russia that Bill Spry sent. I dont know the legalities of it - but its great! I think you would be ok if you are
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                            I have been playing around with a site from Russia that Bill Spry sent.  I dont know the legalities of it - but its great!  I think you would be ok if you are using it to fill a music library for a licensed radio station.  However - I do not know for sure.  Perhaps someone can answer that question.  Here is the site http://muzebra.com

                            Leo Ashcraft

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                            On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Mike Jandebeur <jmjandebeur@...> wrote:
                             

                            www.legalsounds.com    put $49 in they match it
                            . songs cost $.09 ea   on sale a lot at .07 
                            Russian version of itunes
                            they won all the lawsuits a few years ago against the riaa who were cutting their payment sites to try to stop them. supreme court held for LS. 
                            some times the very newest release takes a while to get up.  search for radio versions and industry Canada cds.  lots of promo disks get posted.

                            check for best encode most are 320 mp3 but there can be several copies of a song on different albums
                            anything over 225k mp3 is good enough for FM.  regardless of what some may think. they will not pass a blind listening test.  remember FM tops out at 15khz. and any bass under 45k is very hard to push clean in an exciter that cost less than 5K.  


                            let your dollars win for once.



                            On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:41 AM, George Brand <georgeb@...> wrote:
                             

                            Hi Mike

                             

                            Where can you get a music library for $100.00 ? Is this a typo? The other numbers fit in.

                             

                            George

                             

                             

                            $

                            $2200 eas

                            $1800-$2300 transmitter

                            $1500 -$2500 antenna/tower 55'

                            $1000 pc mics mixer cd player

                            $500 software

                            $100 music library

                            $900  rack,cables, ups, misc




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                          • Richard L. Whitmore
                            Hey guys: I am not versed in German, so maybe this link will be of help to you as it was for me... Just put the http://muzebra.com into the search engine and
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                              Hey guys:

                              I am not versed in German, so maybe this link will be of help to you as it was for me... Just put the http://muzebra.com into the search engine and once the site comes up, choose Translate this site.

                              Here is the link you would get to log onto the site and understand (in English - mostly) what the site is about...
                              http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://muzebra.com/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://muzebra.com/%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DKgK%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GB:official

                              Richard L. Whitmore
                              WEAK FM

                              On 6/3/2013 5:22 PM, Leo Ashcraft wrote:
                              I have been playing around with a site from Russia that Bill Spry sent.  I dont know the legalities of it - but its great!  I think you would be ok if you are using it to fill a music library for a licensed radio station.  However - I do not know for sure.  Perhaps someone can answer that question.  Here is the site http://muzebra.com

                              Leo Ashcraft

                              Nexus Broadcast

                              http://NexusBroadcast.com

                              http://LPFMStore.com
                              888-672-4234
                              321-300-LPFM 
                              202-800-8426 Fax

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                              On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Mike Jandebeur <jmjandebeur@...> wrote:
                               
                              www.legalsounds.com    put $49 in they match it
                              . songs cost $.09 ea   on sale a lot at .07 
                              Russian version of itunes
                              they won all the lawsuits a few years ago against the riaa who were cutting their payment sites to try to stop them. supreme court held for LS. 
                              some times the very newest release takes a while to get up.  search for radio versions and industry Canada cds.  lots of promo disks get posted.

                              check for best encode most are 320 mp3 but there can be several copies of a song on different albums
                              anything over 225k mp3 is good enough for FM.  regardless of what some may think. they will not pass a blind listening test.  remember FM tops out at 15khz. and any bass under 45k is very hard to push clean in an exciter that cost less than 5K.  


                              let your dollars win for once.



                              On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:41 AM, George Brand <georgeb@...> wrote:
                               

                              Hi Mike

                               

                              Where can you get a music library for $100.00 ? Is this a typo? The other numbers fit in.

                               

                              George

                               

                               

                              $

                              $2200 eas

                              $1800-$2300 transmitter

                              $1500 -$2500 antenna/tower 55'

                              $1000 pc mics mixer cd player

                              $500 software

                              $100 music library

                              $900  rack,cables, ups, misc




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                            • Nexus Broadcast
                              If you use the chrome browser it will have a little pop up at the top and will translate the page into English on the fly for you.
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                                If you use the chrome browser it will have a little pop up at the top and will translate the page into English on the fly for you.
                              • Dan Slentz
                                I m a big fan of TM Century (JonesTM).  They re not the cheapest but I really think they re the best.   Music has been cleaned up where the source material
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                                  I'm a big fan of TM Century (JonesTM).  They're not the cheapest but I really think they're the best.   Music has been cleaned up where the source material may have had "issues".
                                  They're also well known for their custom jingles and production libraries. 
                                  We (WNHS LPFM Newcomerstown, Ohio) have more than one of their music & production libraries.  Plus they produced jingles for our station (which are awesome!)
                                  Check out their web site or give them a call.  They're good people to work with!
                                  Dan Slentz

                                  From: George Brand <georgeb@...>
                                  To: LPFM@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Monday, June 3, 2013 10:41 AM
                                  Subject: RE: Nexus: Tips
                                   
                                  Hi Mike
                                   
                                  Where can you get a music library for $100.00 ? Is this a typo? The other numbers fit in.
                                   
                                  George
                                   
                                   
                                  $
                                  $2200 eas
                                  $1800-$2300 transmitter
                                  $1500 -$2500 antenna/tower 55'
                                  $1000 pc mics mixer cd player
                                  $500 software
                                  $100 music library
                                  $900  rack,cables, ups, misc
                                • Dave Scott
                                  Music for $100 (over 1000 MP3 songs at less than $0.10 each) can be had from legalsounds.com mp3million.com mp3va.com ligamusic.com bearshare.com These are
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                                    Music for $100 (over 1000 MP3 songs at less than $0.10
                                    each) can be had from
                                      legalsounds.com
                                      mp3million.com
                                      mp3va.com
                                      ligamusic.com
                                      bearshare.com
                                      
                                    These are supposedly legal because they're based in
                                    Russia (or some country that does not respect US copyrights).

                                    For an LPFM, MP3 quality is probably fine.  
                                     
                                    Dave Scott
                                  • Robert Kelley
                                    The good news is a broadcast station can obtain its content from any source. HOWEVER the PRO s must be paid whether you use CD, Vinyl or download. You must
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                                      The good news is a broadcast station can obtain its content from any source.

                                      HOWEVER the PRO's must be paid whether you use CD, Vinyl or download.  You must have an agreement with ASCAP, BMI and SESAC for broadcast regardless of source.

                                      Exceptions.. content not represented by any US PRO or its foreign  affiliate PRO's.

                                      On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Dave Scott <dave@...> wrote:
                                       

                                      Music for $100 (over 1000 MP3 songs at less than $0.10
                                      each) can be had from
                                        
                                      These are supposedly legal because they're based in
                                      Russia (or some country that does not respect US copyrights).

                                      For an LPFM, MP3 quality is probably fine.  
                                       
                                      Dave Scott




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                                    • Earl Higgins
                                      I was wondering if anyone on this list can provide me with pointers where to look up what licensing fees would be for ASCAP, BMI and SESAC music broadcasting
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                                        I was wondering if anyone on this list can provide me with pointers where to look up what licensing fees would be for ASCAP, BMI and SESAC music broadcasting rights?

                                        This would be for a typical LPFM in a major metropolitan area (St. Louis Missouri) running mostly community produced programs but with a fair amount of music programming (all types but some emphasis on Americana/alternative country/bluegrass).

                                        I'm asking about rights, not about obtaining the library of music itself as I think I have that reasonably well covered with a rather extensive CD/lossless digital music file collection.

                                        To be clear, the station DOES NOT EXIST yet but I am hoping to get enough local support to apply in the October filing window. Currently, I run a Part 15 FM serving a radius of a block or so in the "Delmar Loop" neighborhood of the city ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delmar_Loop%c2%a0) and would like to start a community station serving this area.

                                        If this is a newbie question, well, that shouldn't be surprising since I am in every sense of the word a newbie. Please don't flame me for this fact; I assume everyone on this list was a newbie at some point? However, it should be noted that I am unable to find an answer to this seemingly important question in any FAQ I have come across.

                                        Sincerely,

                                        Earl Higgins
                                        University City, Missouri

                                        ________________________________
                                        From: Robert Kelley <rkelley@...>
                                        To: LPFM@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 11:00 AM
                                        Subject: Re: Nexus: Tips

                                        The good news is a broadcast station can obtain its content from any source.

                                        HOWEVER the PRO's must be paid whether you use CD, Vinyl or download.  You must have an agreement with ASCAP, BMI and SESAC for broadcast regardless of source.

                                        Exceptions.. content not represented by any US PRO or its foreign  affiliate PRO's.
                                      • Nexus Broadcast
                                        There is an extensive article about music licensing on our website - including fees: http://lpfmstore.com/broadcast-music-licensing-for-lpfm-radio-stations/
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                                          There is an extensive article about music licensing on our website - including fees: http://lpfmstore.com/broadcast-music-licensing-for-lpfm-radio-stations/

                                          --- In LPFM@yahoogroups.com, Earl Higgins <earlthenut@...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > I was wondering if anyone on this list can provide me with pointers where to look up what licensing fees would be for ASCAP, BMI and SESAC music broadcasting rights?
                                          >
                                          > This would be for a typical LPFM in a major metropolitan area (St. Louis Missouri) running mostly community produced programs but with a fair amount of music programming (all types but some emphasis on Americana/alternative country/bluegrass).
                                          >
                                          > I'm asking about rights, not about obtaining the library of music itself as I think I have that reasonably well covered with a rather extensive CD/lossless digital music file collection.
                                          >
                                          > To be clear, the station DOES NOT EXIST yet but I am hoping to get enough local support to apply in the October filing window. Currently, I run a Part 15 FM serving a radius of a block or so in the "Delmar Loop" neighborhood of the city ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delmar_Loop%c2%a0) and would like to start a community station serving this area.
                                          >
                                          > If this is a newbie question, well, that shouldn't be surprising since I am in every sense of the word a newbie. Please don't flame me for this fact; I assume everyone on this list was a newbie at some point? However, it should be noted that I am unable to find an answer to this seemingly important question in any FAQ I have come across.
                                          >
                                          > Sincerely,
                                          >
                                          > Earl Higgins
                                          > University City, Missouri
                                          >
                                          > ________________________________
                                          > From: Robert Kelley <rkelley@...>
                                          > To: LPFM@yahoogroups.com
                                          > Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 11:00 AM
                                          > Subject: Re: Nexus: Tips
                                          >
                                          > The good news is a broadcast station can obtain its content from any source.
                                          >
                                          > HOWEVER the PRO's must be paid whether you use CD, Vinyl or download.  You must have an agreement with ASCAP, BMI and SESAC for broadcast regardless of source.
                                          >
                                          > Exceptions.. content not represented by any US PRO or its foreign  affiliate PRO's.
                                          >
                                        • Jeff KP3FT
                                          Hi Earl,You might have to contact them directly for a fee quote.  I believe our fees come to a combined total of about $1000 for all three, but we are serving
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                                            Hi Earl,

                                            You might have to contact them directly for a fee quote.  I believe our fees come to a combined total of about $1000 for all three, but we are serving a smaller population area.  It's been many years since we first signed up with them, but I think at least one of the three had their fees posted on their website at that time.


                                            --- On Tue, 6/4/13, Earl Higgins <earlthenut@...> wrote:

                                            From: Earl Higgins <earlthenut@...>
                                            Subject: Re: Nexus: Tips
                                            To: "LPFM@yahoogroups.com" <LPFM@yahoogroups.com>
                                            Date: Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 5:23 PM

                                             

                                            I was wondering if anyone on this list can provide me with pointers where to look up what licensing fees would be for ASCAP, BMI and SESAC music broadcasting rights?

                                            This would be for a typical LPFM in a major metropolitan area (St. Louis Missouri) running mostly community produced programs but with a fair amount of music programming (all types but some emphasis on Americana/alternative country/bluegrass).

                                            I'm asking about rights, not about obtaining the library of music itself as I think I have that reasonably well covered with a rather extensive CD/lossless digital music file collection.

                                            To be clear, the station DOES NOT EXIST yet but I am hoping to get enough local support to apply in the October filing window. Currently, I run a Part 15 FM serving a radius of a block or so in the "Delmar Loop" neighborhood of the city ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delmar_Loop ) and would like to start a community station serving this area.

                                            If this is a newbie question, well, that shouldn't be surprising since I am in every sense of the word a newbie. Please don't flame me for this fact; I assume everyone on this list was a newbie at some point? However, it should be noted that I am unable to find an answer to this seemingly important question in any FAQ I have come across.

                                            Sincerely,

                                            Earl Higgins
                                            University City, Missouri

                                            ________________________________
                                            From: Robert Kelley <rkelley@...>
                                            To: LPFM@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 11:00 AM
                                            Subject: Re: Nexus: Tips

                                            The good news is a broadcast station can obtain its content from any source.

                                            HOWEVER the PRO's must be paid whether you use CD, Vinyl or download.  You must have an agreement with ASCAP, BMI and SESAC for broadcast regardless of source.

                                            Exceptions.. content not represented by any US PRO or its foreign  affiliate PRO's.

                                          • Earl Higgins
                                            This is exactly what I was looking for, don t know how I missed it. THANKS! So, ballpark is that if I set aside $1000 a year that should cover it? Of course I
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                                              This is exactly what I was looking for, don't know how I missed it. THANKS!

                                              So, ballpark is that if I set aside $1000 a year that should cover it? Of course I realize this doesn't include webcasting. Are webcasting rights typically more than this? Just curious, thanks!

                                              Sincerely,

                                              Earl Higgins

                                              ________________________________
                                              From: Nexus Broadcast <leo@...>
                                              To: LPFM@yahoogroups.com
                                              Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 4:27 PM
                                              Subject: Re: Nexus: Tips

                                              There is an extensive article about music licensing on our website - including fees: http://lpfmstore.com/broadcast-music-licensing-for-lpfm-radio-stations/

                                              --- In LPFM@yahoogroups.com, Earl Higgins <earlthenut@...> wrote:
                                              >
                                              > I was wondering if anyone on this list can provide me with pointers where to look up what licensing fees would be for ASCAP, BMI and SESAC music broadcasting rights?
                                              >
                                              > This would be for a typical LPFM in a major metropolitan area (St. Louis Missouri) running mostly community produced programs but with a fair amount of music programming (all types but some emphasis on Americana/alternative country/bluegrass).
                                              >
                                              > I'm asking about rights, not about obtaining the library of music itself as I think I have that reasonably well covered with a rather extensive CD/lossless digital music file collection.
                                              >
                                              > To be clear, the station DOES NOT EXIST yet but I am hoping to get enough local support to apply in the October filing window. Currently, I run a Part 15 FM serving a radius of a block or so in the "Delmar Loop" neighborhood of the city ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delmar_Loop%c2%a0) and would like to start a community station serving this area.
                                              >
                                              > If this is a newbie question, well, that shouldn't be surprising since I am in every sense of the word a newbie. Please don't flame me for this fact; I assume everyone on this list was a newbie at some point? However, it should be noted that I am unable to find an answer to this seemingly important question in any FAQ I have come across.
                                              >
                                              > Sincerely,
                                              >
                                              > Earl Higgins
                                              > University City, Missouri
                                            • Christopher Zeman
                                              Check out StreamLicensing.com at around $20/month. They cover you on your streams only. The only caveat is that you have to report every song you play. You can
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                                                Check out StreamLicensing.com at around $20/month. They cover you on your streams only. The only caveat is that you have to report every song you play. You can automate the process by updating your ShoutCast or Icecast server every time a new song, but playing syndicated program will require a manual playlist upload on your part.

                                                SoundExchange will charge you $500/year alone, plus an additional $100/year if you don't want to report your playlist.

                                                Chris

                                                Earl Higgins <earlthenut@...> wrote:
                                                 

                                                This is exactly what I was looking for, don't know how I missed it. THANKS!

                                                So, ballpark is that if I set aside $1000 a year that should cover it? Of course I realize this doesn't include webcasting. Are webcasting rights typically more than this? Just curious, thanks!

                                                Sincerely,

                                                Earl Higgins

                                                ________________________________
                                                From: Nexus Broadcast <leo@...>
                                                To: LPFM@yahoogroups.com
                                                Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 4:27 PM
                                                Subject: Re: Nexus: Tips

                                                There is an extensive article about music licensing on our website - including fees: http://lpfmstore.com/broadcast-music-licensing-for-lpfm-radio-stations/

                                                --- In LPFM@yahoogroups.com, Earl Higgins <earlthenut@...> wrote:
                                                >
                                                > I was wondering if anyone on this list can provide me with pointers where to look up what licensing fees would be for ASCAP, BMI and SESAC music broadcasting rights?
                                                >
                                                > This would be for a typical LPFM in a major metropolitan area (St. Louis Missouri) running mostly community produced programs but with a fair amount of music programming (all types but some emphasis on Americana/alternative country/bluegrass).
                                                >
                                                > I'm asking about rights, not about obtaining the library of music itself as I think I have that reasonably well covered with a rather extensive CD/lossless digital music file collection.
                                                >
                                                > To be clear, the station DOES NOT EXIST yet but I am hoping to get enough local support to apply in the October filing window. Currently, I run a Part 15 FM serving a radius of a block or so in the "Delmar Loop" neighborhood of the city ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delmar_Loop ) and would like to start a community station serving this area.
                                                >
                                                > If this is a newbie question, well, that shouldn't be surprising since I am in every sense of the word a newbie. Please don't flame me for this fact; I assume everyone on this list was a newbie at some point? However, it should be noted that I am unable to find an answer to this seemingly important question in any FAQ I have come across.
                                                >
                                                > Sincerely,
                                                >
                                                > Earl Higgins
                                                > University City, Missouri


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                                              • RToney4097@...
                                                Sesac 89.00? Billed me 141.00. I thought sesac was most religious songs,i never play those. In a message dated 6/4/2013 6:10:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
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                                                  Sesac 89.00?  Billed me 141.00.  I thought sesac was most religious songs,i never play those.
                                                   
                                                  In a message dated 6/4/2013 6:10:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, leo@... writes:
                                                   

                                                  There is an extensive article about music licensing on our website - including fees: http://lpfmstore.com/broadcast-music-licensing-for-lpfm-radio-stations/

                                                  --- In LPFM@yahoogroups.com, Earl Higgins <earlthenut@...> wrote:
                                                  >
                                                  > I was wondering if anyone on this list can provide me with pointers where to look up what licensing fees would be for ASCAP, BMI and SESAC music broadcasting rights?
                                                  >
                                                  > This would be for a typical LPFM in a major metropolitan area (St. Louis Missouri) running mostly community produced programs but with a fair amount of music programming (all types but some emphasis on Americana/alternative country/bluegrass).
                                                  >
                                                  > I'm asking about rights, not about obtaining the library of music itself as I think I have that reasonably well covered with a rather extensive CD/lossless digital music file collection.
                                                  >
                                                  > To be clear, the station DOES NOT EXIST yet but I am hoping to get enough local support to apply in the October filing window. Currently, I run a Part 15 FM serving a radius of a block or so in the "Delmar Loop" neighborhood of the city ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delmar_Loop ) and would like to start a community station serving this area.
                                                  >
                                                  > If this is a newbie question, well, that shouldn't be surprising since I am in every sense of the word a newbie. Please don't flame me for this fact; I assume everyone on this list was a newbie at some point? However, it should be noted that I am unable to find an answer to this seemingly important question in any FAQ I have come across.
                                                  >
                                                  > Sincerely,
                                                  >
                                                  > Earl Higgins
                                                  > University City, Missouri
                                                  >
                                                  > ________________________________
                                                  > From: Robert Kelley <rkelley@...>
                                                  > To: LPFM@yahoogroups.com
                                                  > Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 11:00 AM
                                                  > Subject: Re: Nexus: Tips
                                                  >
                                                  > The good news is a broadcast station can obtain its content from any source.
                                                  >
                                                  > HOWEVER the PRO's must be paid whether you use CD, Vinyl or download.  You must have an agreement with ASCAP, BMI and SESAC for broadcast regardless of source.
                                                  >
                                                  > Exceptions.. content not represented by any US PRO or its foreign  affiliate PRO's.
                                                  >

                                                • Nexus Broadcast
                                                  Some of the fees are a bit outdated - but in the ballpark. I ll update the fees listed on the article
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                                                    Some of the fees are a bit outdated - but in the ballpark. I'll update the fees listed on the article

                                                    --- In LPFM@yahoogroups.com, RToney4097@... wrote:
                                                    >
                                                    > Sesac 89.00? Billed me 141.00. I thought sesac was most religious
                                                    > songs,i never play those.
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > In a message dated 6/4/2013 6:10:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
                                                    > leo@... writes:
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > There is an extensive article about music licensing on our website -
                                                    > including fees:
                                                    > http://lpfmstore.com/broadcast-music-licensing-for-lpfm-radio-stations/
                                                    >
                                                    > --- In _LPFM@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:LPFM@yahoogroups.com) , Earl Higgins
                                                    > <earlthenut@> wrote:
                                                    > >
                                                    > > I was wondering if anyone on this list can provide me with pointers
                                                    > where to look up what licensing fees would be for ASCAP, BMI and SESAC music
                                                    > broadcasting rights?
                                                    > >
                                                    > > This would be for a typical LPFM in a major metropolitan area (St. Louis
                                                    > Missouri) running mostly community produced programs but with a fair
                                                    > amount of music programming (all types but some emphasis on
                                                    > Americana/alternative country/bluegrass).
                                                    > >
                                                    > > I'm asking about rights, not about obtaining the library of music itself
                                                    > as I think I have that reasonably well covered with a rather extensive
                                                    > CD/lossless digital music file collection.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > To be clear, the station DOES NOT EXIST yet but I am hoping to get
                                                    > enough local support to apply in the October filing window. Currently, I run a
                                                    > Part 15 FM serving a radius of a block or so in the "Delmar Loop"
                                                    > neighborhood of the city ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delmar_Loop ) and would like
                                                    > to start a community station serving this area.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > If this is a newbie question, well, that shouldn't be surprising since I
                                                    > am in every sense of the word a newbie. Please don't flame me for this
                                                    > fact; I assume everyone on this list was a newbie at some point? However, it
                                                    > should be noted that I am unable to find an answer to this seemingly
                                                    > important question in any FAQ I have come across.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Sincerely,
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Earl Higgins
                                                    > > University City, Missouri
                                                    > >
                                                    > > ________________________________
                                                    > > From: Robert Kelley <rkelley@>
                                                    > > To: _LPFM@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:LPFM@yahoogroups.com)
                                                    > > Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 11:00 AM
                                                    > > Subject: Re: Nexus: Tips
                                                    > >
                                                    > > The good news is a broadcast station can obtain its content from any
                                                    > source.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > HOWEVER the PRO's must be paid whether you use CD, Vinyl or download.
                                                    > You must have an agreement with ASCAP, BMI and SESAC for broadcast
                                                    > regardless of source.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > Exceptions.. content not represented by any US PRO or its foreign
                                                    > affiliate PRO's.
                                                    > >
                                                    >
                                                  • Earl Higgins
                                                    Thanks Jeff. My next task is to try to harvest some community interest. Thanks again! Earl Higgins ________________________________ From: Jeff KP3FT
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                                                      Thanks Jeff.

                                                      My next task is to try to harvest some community interest. Thanks again!

                                                      Earl Higgins

                                                      ________________________________
                                                      From: Jeff KP3FT <kp3ft@...>
                                                      To: LPFM@yahoogroups.com
                                                      Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 4:34 PM
                                                      Subject: Re: Nexus: Tips




                                                      Hi Earl,
                                                      You might have to contact them directly for a fee quote.  I believe our fees come to a combined total of about $1000 for all three, but we are serving a smaller population area.  It's been many years since we first signed up with them, but I think at least one of the three had their fees posted on their website at that time.

                                                      --- On Tue, 6/4/13, Earl Higgins <earlthenut@...> wrote:


                                                      >From: Earl Higgins <earlthenut@...>
                                                      >Subject: Re: Nexus: Tips
                                                      >To: "LPFM@yahoogroups.com" <LPFM@yahoogroups.com>
                                                      >Date: Tuesday, June 4, 2013, 5:23 PM
                                                      >
                                                      >

                                                      >I was wondering if anyone on this list can provide me with pointers where to look up what licensing fees would be for ASCAP, BMI and SESAC music broadcasting rights?
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